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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Few moments captured the volatility of transatlantic relations better than the explosive Oval Office meeting between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy on 28 February 2025. Sebastian Jäckle, Ronald Schleehauf, Judith Reinbold and Marius Fröhle studied its impact on German public opinion using a natural experiment based on an online survey</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/how-the-trump-zelensykyy-oval-office-meeting-shifted-german-views-of-the-us/">How the Trump-Zelensykyy Oval Office meeting shifted German views of the US</a> appeared first on <a href="https://theloop.ecpr.eu">The Loop</a>.</p>
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<p class="has-medium-font-size">Few moments captured the volatility of transatlantic relations better than the explosive Oval Office meeting between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy on 28 February 2025. <strong>Sebastian Jäckle</strong>, <strong>Ronald Schleehauf</strong>, <strong>Judith Reinbold</strong> and <strong>Marius Fröhle</strong> studied its impact on German public opinion using a natural experiment based on an online survey</p>



<p>Can high profile ‘moments’ in the world’s media glare act as a catalyst for longer-term public attitudinal trends? By chance, we were able to test this in relation to Germans’ attitudes towards the United States. While we were running a large-scale survey among the German public (Feb/Mar 2025, ~8,600 respondents), there occurred the tempestuous Oval Office Meeting (OOM) between <a href="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/power-competition-is-trump-overplaying-his-hand/">Trump and Zelenskyy</a>. Their showdown allowed us to test short-term attitudinal reactions to this – what we call – 'Trump treatment', by means of a natural experiment.</p>



<p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2474736X.2025.2557309">Our new study</a> also compares these short-term reactions with longer-term developments since the end of 2023 (from Biden's presidency to the second Trump administration), when we conducted a similar survey (~8,900 respondents).</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-long-term-decline-in-trust">Long-term decline in trust</h2>



<p>We find that even before the OOM, the image of the US in Germany was deteriorating. Favourability toward the US dropped considerably between the first survey wave in 2023 and the second one that followed Trump’s return to office in January 2025.</p>



<p>Most Germans no longer see the US as a strong advocate of democracy and a defender of freedom and human rights. In particular, they no longer feel that Germany can rely on the US when it matters. Trust in its reliability as an ally plummeted, especially among supporters of the mainstream Christian Democrats (CDU/CSU), Social Democrats (SPD), and Green party.</p>



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<p>Germans no longer see the US as a strong advocate of democracy, and do not feel that that Germany could rely on the US when it matters</p>
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<p>Only the populist far-right Alternative für Deutschland&nbsp;(AfD) bucked this trend. Traditionally anti-US, its supporters shifted sharply toward a pro-Trump stance following his election, making AfD one of the most pro-US parties in the contemporary German landscape. This development may indicate that foreign and defence policy issues are now also entering the realm of <a href="https://doi.org/10.1177/0095327X251382550">right-wing populist culture wars</a>. This is a dynamic that has, until recently, remained largely absent from German debates on foreign policy.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-average-attitudes-toward-the-us-in-germany">Average attitudes toward the US in Germany</h3>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large is-resized"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" width="832" height="300" src="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/dates.jpg" alt="Legend: September 2023 (grey), February 2025 before meeting (blue), February 2025 after meeting (orange)." class="wp-image-25703" style="width:400px" srcset="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/dates.jpg 832w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/dates-300x108.jpg 300w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/dates-768x277.jpg 768w" sizes="(max-width: 832px) 100vw, 832px" /></figure>



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<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img decoding="async" width="1240" height="1172" src="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Defender-of-freedom.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-25694" srcset="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Defender-of-freedom.jpg 1240w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Defender-of-freedom-300x284.jpg 300w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Defender-of-freedom-1024x968.jpg 1024w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Defender-of-freedom-768x726.jpg 768w" sizes="(max-width: 1240px) 100vw, 1240px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><strong>No country is such a strong advocate of democracy and defender of freedom and human rights as the USA</strong></figcaption></figure>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large wp-container-content-5e2576f9"><img decoding="async" width="1024" height="926" src="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Can-rely-on-USA-1024x926.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-25696" srcset="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Can-rely-on-USA-1024x926.jpg 1024w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Can-rely-on-USA-300x271.jpg 300w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Can-rely-on-USA-768x695.jpg 768w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Can-rely-on-USA.jpg 1296w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><strong>Germany can rely on the USA when it matters</strong></figcaption></figure>
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<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="1328" height="1252" src="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/World-conflicts.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-25698" srcset="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/World-conflicts.jpg 1328w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/World-conflicts-300x283.jpg 300w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/World-conflicts-1024x965.jpg 1024w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/World-conflicts-768x724.jpg 768w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1328px) 100vw, 1328px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><strong>The USA is to blame for the fact that we have so many world conflicts</strong></figcaption></figure>
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<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="1024" height="963" src="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rich-and-poor-1024x963.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-25700" srcset="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rich-and-poor-1024x963.jpg 1024w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rich-and-poor-300x282.jpg 300w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rich-and-poor-768x722.jpg 768w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Rich-and-poor.jpg 1272w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><strong>Differences in rich and poor are more pronounced in the USA than in Germany</strong></figcaption></figure>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-large wp-container-content-5e2576f9"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="1024" height="943" src="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Role-model-1024x943.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-25701" srcset="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Role-model-1024x943.jpg 1024w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Role-model-300x276.jpg 300w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Role-model-768x708.jpg 768w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Role-model.jpg 1272w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption"><strong>The USA is still a role model for Germany</strong></figcaption></figure>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-the-trump-treatment">The Trump treatment</h2>



<p>The OOM offered a natural experiment. In the second survey wave, 7,720 participants answered the questionnaire during the four days leading up to the OOM, and 885 in the two days after it. Comparing these two groups via an <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/political-analysis/article/abs/unexpected-event-during-survey-design-promise-and-pitfalls-for-causal-inference/E9DB24A62172D1EB2116FEFFEAE45998">Unexpected Event during Survey Design</a> allows us to isolate the immediate effects of the Trump treatment.</p>



<p>Three key results stand out:</p>



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<li><strong>Centrist disillusionment deepened</strong>. CDU/CSU, SPD, and Green voters became significantly less likely to see the US as dependable after the OOM. Supporters of these parties also grew less willing to cooperate with Washington.</li>



<li><strong>Populist realignments continued</strong>. AfD voters remained largely unchanged, having already embraced Trump. Supporters of the socialist party Die Linke, however, made surprising shifts, expressing more willingness for Germany to participate in a European army, and even to send peacekeeping troops to Ukraine.</li>



<li><strong>Liberals went against the grain</strong>. Free Democratic Party (FDP) voters – usually aligned with other centrists – reacted differently. They expressed <em>more</em> trust in the US after the OOM, though the small sample size makes these results less robust.</li>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-europe-rising-as-america-falls">Europe rising as America falls</h2>



<p>Our survey also revealed that US and EU perceptions became increasingly opposed. Before the OOM, Germans who held positive views of the EU tended to be somewhat sceptical of the US. After the meeting, that negative correlation grew stronger – being pro-EU increasingly meant being anti-US.</p>



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<p>Since the Oval Office meeting, Germans who are pro-EU have grown increasingly anti-US</p>
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<p>This suggests a deeper transformation: not just attitude shifts toward specific policies, but a reorganisation of belief systems. Many Germans no longer see the US and Europe as complementary partners – but as alternatives.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-pearson-correlations-between-the-attitude-items-before-and-after-the-oval-office-meeting">Pearson correlations between the attitude items before and after the Oval Office Meeting </h3>



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<h4 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-before-oval-office-meeting">Before Oval Office Meeting</h4>



<figure class="wp-block-image size-full"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" width="586" height="538" src="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Before-Oval-Office-Meeting.png" alt="" class="wp-image-25705" srcset="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Before-Oval-Office-Meeting.png 586w, https://theloop.ecpr.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Before-Oval-Office-Meeting-300x275.png 300w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 586px) 100vw, 586px" /></figure>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-after-oval-office-meeting">After Oval Office Meeting</h4>



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<p class="has-small-font-size">Dashed box: correlations between US- and EU-attitudes. USA: rich/poor = Differences between rich and poor are more pronounced in the USA than in Germany; role model = The USA is still a role model for Germany; advocate democracy = No other country is such a strong advocate of democracy and defender of freedom and human rights as the USA; rely on = Germany can rely on the USA when it matters; cooperation = Germany should work closer together with the USA; EU: membership = EU membership brings more advantages than disadvantages for Germany; common army = Germany should advocate a common European army; cooperation = Germany should work closer together with European countries.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-consequences-for-german-foreign-policy">Consequences for German foreign policy</h2>



<p>The data point to several significant consequences:</p>



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<li><strong>Erosion of transatlantic trust</strong>.<strong> </strong>For decades, the US has been Germany’s indispensable ally. But trust in its reliability is collapsing, especially among mainstream voters. That is a profound change, because these groups traditionally anchored pro-transatlantic consensus in German politics.</li>
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<li><strong>Support for European autonomy</strong>.<strong> </strong>The OOM nudged Germans closer to supporting EU-centred defence arrangements. While enthusiasm for a common European army remains mixed, the general drift is clear: when Washington falters, Europe becomes the default partner.</li>
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<li><strong>Unpredictable populist dynamics</strong>.<strong> </strong>AfD’s embrace of Trump marks a historic reversal of its anti-American stance. Die Linke, meanwhile, is rethinking its anti-militarist traditions. These shifts complicate the traditional left-right divide on foreign policy, producing crosscurrents that could reshape coalition politics.</li>
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<li><strong>Policy implications for German government</strong>.<strong> </strong>SPD supporters in particular showed a willingness to diversify alliances, even considering closer ties with Russia alongside greater EU involvement. That puts pressure on policy-makers to balance scepticism towards the US with caution toward Moscow.</li>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-a-second-zeitenwende">A second <em>Zeitenwende?</em></h2>



<p>Former German chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) coined the term <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitenwende_speech">Zeitenwende</a> </em>(literally: 'times turn') after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Yet while Russia's war did indeed reshape German defence policy, it left broader public attitudes surprisingly unchanged. We argue that a second <em>Zeitenwende, </em>sparked by Trump’s return and his MAGA politics – and dramatised by the OOM – appears to be cutting deeper into the foundations of public opinion by heightening the state of alert created by Russia’s ongoing aggression.</p>



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<p>German public opinion is fragmenting as centrist disillusionment, liberal exceptions and populist realignments all point toward a more volatile foreign policy environment</p>
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<p>This shift is not absolute: Germans are not abandoning the US entirely. Nor are they uniting behind a clear European alternative. Instead, public opinion is fragmenting. Centrist disillusionment, liberal exceptions, and populist realignments all point toward a more volatile, less predictable foreign policy environment.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-a-new-phase-of-scepticism">A new phase of scepticism</h2>



<p>The Trump-Zelenskyy showdown reveals how a single event can crystallise underlying trends. While the OOM did not <em>create</em> anti-US sentiment, it accelerated and reinforced what Trump’s MAGA politics started. Clearly, German public opinion has entered a new phase of scepticism toward the US.</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://theloop.ecpr.eu/how-the-trump-zelensykyy-oval-office-meeting-shifted-german-views-of-the-us/">How the Trump-Zelensykyy Oval Office meeting shifted German views of the US</a> appeared first on <a href="https://theloop.ecpr.eu">The Loop</a>.</p>
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